they had nothing to do with second amendment rights for you know, ted nugent on his friggin' farm. >> stephanie: you would be a good person to get your take on this because there was a piece about, you know, how wayne lapierrre succeeded. as crazy as he is, moving the debate to the right. the way he -- the way he negotiates as compared to the president who people say he caved or compromises too. he had that press conference and went far to the right wing crazies so that now the goalpost was over here. >> hal: i would agree to some degree but i think a lot of the senators who have been around for a long time, a lot of like new -- hypernew house tea party types and then the older house members, combined with them. create this wall of -- well, they're going to take rifles like this kind of '50s mentality of protecting the second amendment. it is real -- it was already there. that bar was already far to the right. our conversation about guns is and has always been mid right. at best. >> stephanie: yep. >> that's because, you know, we have this -- the freedom fantasy. this idea that someho